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against russia. we have full coverage of this. nbc's ron allen at the white house, hans nichols at the pentagon. ron, let me start with you. i know this hasn't been announced yet, but lay out the nuts and bolts of what you think you'll see this afternoon. >> reporter: we think we'll hear sanctions. the question is, who will they be directed at? what exactly will they be? russia is already facing a number of sanctions because of its invasion of ukraine, crimea. the administration, president obama, has said that this hack and leak operation was directed, orchestrated by the most senior members of the russian government. he has all but named vladimir putin himself as being behind this, saying that not much happens in russia without vladimir putin being involved. the question is, will they try to sanction the russian president, his inner circle? will they even rereal exactly what they're doing? also, there's a big question about what proof they will provide without revealing how they discovered this information. revealing -- or compromising sources and methods.
the other problem with sanctions is a concern that donald trump is going to reverse something right after he comes into office. these are being done by executive authority, but, of course, donald trump faces a political obstacle because there are so many republicans and democrats in congress who are calling for an investigation of russia, calling for sanctions and who are calling for a much tougher line than the president-elect has been taking. so, again, we expect that this will probably be an announcement about sanctions against the russian hierarchy. we are also mindful that the administration is threatening and hinting very broadly that there may be some type of covert action taken against the russians. something we may not know about, that we won't hear about, that may happen in cyberspace. there's a lot of concern about escalation and tit for tat in that particular sphere. and the russians have said they will strike back. in the next couple hours we hope
to hear something more from the administration about how they'll respond to what they allege was, of course, a foreign government trying to disrupt the american election. >> ron, i didn't mean to cut off but i wanted hans to jump in because you're talking about this idea of cyber operation, potential covert operation involving a cyber attack, potentially. hans, i want to know what hearing about that. it seems as though the white house is backing away from that? are they? what's going on? >> officials have consistently told us they may not make it public. they may not make the cyber response public but those who have been attacked, those who have been effected on the other side of that operation, they will certainly know. and that gets back to this question of proportionality. that's what we keep hearing throughout all of this. yes, the u.s. has great capacity, but it also bears noting the u.s. has vulnerability. we have cyber vulnerabilities both as individuals, institutions, and as a government. so, there's concern about
escalation, but the main point here is proportionality and that they might not ever go public with what they do. hallie? >> hans, be our per speck five guy for a second. put this into context. why should americans care? why should an average american care that president obama is looking at these sanctions in russia? >> there's no relationship, whether with russia or china, that can exist in silos. the u.s./russian relationship is so important in syria. how will you manage after the fall of aleppo? will there be moves together in raqqah? what do you do with iran? russia was part of that six-party agreement. finally, when you look at the role russia plays in the global economy, russia is very crucial in determining the price of oil. not always, not as much as the gulf states but you look at the most recent increase in the price of oil. international markets it's up to $54, 56 bucks, up almost 10
bucks over the last month. in part, that's because russia has gone on with the saudis and agreed to a production limit. so, they do play an important role in global politics, especially in the middle east. but also the price of oil. hallie? >> ron, get into the politics here. you talked about this a little bit, the idea that this is action that could potentially be reversed by donald trump once he takes office on january 20th. what is the white house trying to do to make sure that doesn't happen? is is there a pho reach out to republicans on capitol hill to bolster support for these moves? >> first, hallie, the question of why americans should care at a very basic level. think of the allegation. americans are -- the president of the united states is pointing his finger directly at vladimir putin saying they disrupted, they tried to influence the outcome of the american election. what could be -- and what's proportional as a response to that is the question the white house has never answered. that's a very, very serious allegation. although the white house stopped
short of saying that the russians tilted the election or swayed the election for donald trump, they've come very close to saying that, pointing out that just about all the information that was hacked and leaked and put out in the public sphere was negative towards the democrat, towards hillary clinton. there was not anything negative about donald trump. so, that's a pretty serious charge. of course, we're all very concerned about our safety in cyberspace. and the other thing about the hacking, it wasn't hacking into the white house or the cia. this was a lot of hacking of a gmail account by john podesta, an ordinary citizen. we're all vulnerable. hans pointed out one of the big concerns by the administration is that america is very vulnerable and they're mindful of trying not t cree ts escalating cyber war in what they have described as a wild west environment. and, yes, i imagine they are reaching out to -- he's been
attacked for not being tough enough on russia but now donald trump, the republican -- the president-elect of the united states, is being congratulated or applauded for being -- for talking about trying to be more cozy and more cooperative with the russians. but, yes, there is a lot of talk on the hill, hearings, investigations, of sanctions by congress because people like john mccain, lindsey graham and others who are traveling in eastern europe, now trying to reassure some of our allies there about america's relationship with them, vis-a-vis russia, where they feel threatened. there's a lot of concern about what could happen next. yes, republicans on the hill are going to be -- are going to hang onto this. that's a big headwind, a big challenge donald trump is going to face when he moves into this building in about 20 days. hallie? >> ron aln, good points there. i want to bring in matt bradley,
our international correspondent based in london who is joining us here. matt, look into your crystal ball if you can. how do you think moscow will react to this when these sanctions come out later on this afternoon? >> we don't know but it's going to be just another layer of sanctions, hallie, as ron mentioned. this isn't goi to be anything particularly new. whatever the obama administration decides to do with regard to punishing russia, it's only going to amount to the latest sanctions since putin annexed crimea from ukraine. obama and european union tried to focus those sanctions not on the russian people but putin's confidantes, state companies that bring in quite a bit of russia's revenue. this involved freezing individuals' assets, closing bank accounts, preventing them from making deals with americans and putting traffic bans on
those close to putin. since then gdp has fallen by about 4%. real income has declined by about 10%. so, those sanctions from the u.s. and the eu, they hurt. but maybe not as much as the sudden drop in oil prices in 2014. that really pulled the rug out from under the russian economy and sent the ruble plummeting 50%. the sanctions, what they didn't do, damage vladimir putin's popularity. for one thing, putin enjoys strong control over the media, particularly, television news. he's managed to convey those economic struggles as part of a populist fight against western domination. hall lishgs you better believe he's going to pull the same kind of trick when these sanctions are eventually announced in the coming hours. >> matt bradley in london. hans nichols at the pentagon,
ron allen at the white house. we'll check in with you as we get new developments on this story. joining us now is trent franks, a republican congressman from arizona. he serves on the house armed services committee. congressman, thanks for joining us here. i want to get to the news of the day here. the president-elect when asked about these sanctions on russia said to reporters, we ought to get on with our lives. do you agree? >> well, i think it's important to keep in mind that the congress hasn't even been briefed on this at all. what we're hearing is information leaked from the intelligence community, primarily from the barack obama administration apparatus. and, so to come to these kind of conclusions at this point, i think, is a little premature to say the least. you'll have to forgive me for wondering why this president would complain that anybody was involved in some foreign election. this is the president that sent
his own campaign team to israel to defeat benjamin netanyahu in his election. he's followed up with that hostility to russia with this recent resolution in the u.n. that, i've got to tell you, was an act of overt political cowardness and it disgraced america and it will send barack obama's name down the corridor as an overt traitor to the state of israel. so, i mean, he certainly has a hard time claiming other countries are involved in elections. but more importantly -- >> a couple of -- >> more importantly -- go ahead. >> congressman, i want to clarify one thing. because i want to be clear on your position on this. do you believe, then, that obama administration should not retaliate against russia for what u.s. intelligence analysts say -- >> no, i've osd this program many times that i believe that mr. putin is a kgb thug and that any interference in our elections or anything that is
outside the interest of america should be met with an appropriate response. and i believe that with all of my heart. but i just see the incredible hypocrisy in this attack. i'll also say this, you know, this administration somehow has the notion that this will change the election. they're really trying to delegitimize the election itself. that's the main motivation here. and i think it's just unfortunate that this president forgets that most of these e-mails came from wikileaks, who claimed they got them from disgruntled dnc staffers. and whatever -- >> do you believe that? >> -- russia's involvement was -- i think that the bottom line is no one knows for sure. and i think we should at least get the facts before we start just going off of leaks that are occurring because i think this administration has a political -- >> on that -- >> go ahead. >> i'm sorry, congressman. we have a little delay here. on that topic, i want to pick up on that.
because you're talking about getting the facts and essentially it sounds like you're saying getting proof or evidence, as you know, president-elect trump has resisted the intelligence assessments that it it was, in fact, russia behind this. multiple intelligence agencies are telling nbc news that. the incoming press secretary told reporters that there needs to be more facts coming out, more evidence released publicly by agencies like the fbi and cia. do you trust the intelligence assessments coming out or do you agree with the president-elect that there needs to be more information out publicly? where are you on this? >> well, i think the bottom line is that most of these -- this conversation is predicated on leaks that are coming out, that are from unnamed sources. and congress hasn't even bee officially briefed on these issues. so, i'm not suggesting that we don't trust our intelligence community. i think that they're a great community. i'm convinced at this point that it's too easily twisted.
again, for all the reasons i've said that this president has acted so hypocritically in this situation it's unbelievable. i think his main motivation is to delegitimize this election. the people were aware of this debate before the election and they took that into can consideration, i'm convinc. i think this is just another effort on the part of barack obama to delegitimize the election. >> congressman, clarify for me. you said that will congress, to your knowledge, has not been officially briefed about these upcoming sanctions that we expect to see as early as today against russia. you serve on the house armed services committee. to your knowledge has any republican leadership been briefed about this? have there been back channel information relaid from the white house to members of congress or has it been radio silence? >> my staff informs me that none of the relevant intelligence committees have been directly or officially informed on it. now, perhaps, that's incorrect information. if it is, i'll correct it. but the truth is, and i think
your own station sources would admit, that most of what we're talking about now is based on leaks. and i -- i'm all for doing what's necessary to protect the election here, but there's no suggestion that russia hacked into our voting systems or anything like that. they -- if anything, whatever they might have done, was to try to use information in a way that may have affected something that they believe was in their best interest. but the bottom line, if they succeeded, if russia succeeded in giving the american people information that was accurate, then they merely did what the media should have done. >> congressman, i'm almost out of time. i want you to clarify that -- i guess i want you to clarify that last statement and also talk to me about this, if president-elect trump rolls back
these sanctions, you've said things about russia and vladimir putin, would that be a mistake by donald trump? >> well, i think it's always going to be predicated on the facts at hand. mr. trump will find me someone very committed to doing what's right for americ no more, no less. >> all right. republican congressman trent franks of arizona. thanks for joining us here today. appreciate it. a lot to unpack there. we will later on in the show. first, we're asking you this microsoft pulse question. the obama administration, as we've been talking about, plans to punish russia over the suspected election meddling. gth trump says we ought to get on with our lives. should russia be punished? weigh in. pulse.msnbc.com. up next, more on those new sanctions on russia meant to hurt putin but who will be most affected by them? later on the president-elect pushing news of thousands of jobs coming back to the u.s., an announcement that's not new, not now. why is he trying to take cdit this week for sprint's stateside
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. welcome back. more of a muted reaction from capitol hill, so far, on the expected sanctions against russia. could be because president-elect trump's attitude toward vladimir putin may have republicans in a bind. kasie hunt is in new york city. talk about what we've seen so far from members of congress. what are your sources who work on the hill telling you about
these upcoming sanctions expected against vladimir putin? >> hallie, one thing on lawmakers not getting too out in front of this, they'll all be wanting to hear the plans the white house is putting forward. hopefully for a lot of them, they're hoping toe briefed by the adstration. we'll see how that unfolds f and when this formally comes down. but we do know there are some predictable things about how this is going to shake out. democrats, for sure, many of them are frustrated that the president didn't act earlier than he did. we know that the president has his reasons for that. partly, there were concerns that the russians might interfere on election day itself. but there are a lot of democrats who feel like it's -- like it's too little, too late, or they want to see some action done. democrat chris kuhns from delaware is one of them. >> in my opinion, we need to take overt and covert actions to respond to this blatant attack on america's democracy. it's simply stunning to me that
president-elect trump can publicly say that we ought to move on with our lives. >> so, for democrats, it's pretty straightforward in that regard. they're going to be pretty unified in supporting additional action against russia. it's republicans where things get a little interesting and where you are potentially going to see some divisions. you're already seeing john mccain and lindsey graham, of course, talking quite a bit about their own investigation they want to have and that they want to put additional congressional bipartisan sanctions against putin and his inner circle. but there are others like mitch mcconnell acknowledges this has gone on but wants the intelligence committee to handle it. mcconnell and other republicans who want to move big pieces of legislation through congress, they don't want to rock the boat with donald trump. trump's team has expressed even just today new comments from sean spice other that transition call about doubts, about the
fbi's information and assessment in this matter. hallie? >> msnbc's kasie hunt from 30 rock for us. thanks. here to talk about the possible implications of all this, professor of international affairs and associate dean at the new school, nina. appreciate you being here. we've been talking a lot about president-elect trump's response to the possibility of russian sanctions. i want to play it for you and then i want to talk about it on the other side. listen. >> i think we all the to get on with our lives. i think computers have complicated lives very greatly. the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on. we have speed. we have aot of other things but i'll not sure we have the security you need. >> so, the president-elect, not answering the question quite as directly as i think there are some people who would have wanted him to do. the obama administration reportedly wants to put in some sanctions in place so they cannot be rolled back by president-elect trump. if it's true the outgoing team
doesn't have a lot of faith that the incoming administration will keep up these sanctions, what could the long-term effects really be? >> first of all, it is very interesting that trump is so noncommittal on this issue because he's committal on others, so that suggests he would probably try to roll back those sanctions if they are, indeed, imposed. i think the long term is probably more problematic for the americans than it is for the russians. of course, the russian economy would not like to see more sanctions or sanctions not at all. it hopes donald trump will roll back those sanctions anyway. also putin is playing a very strong hand here in a sense that if the sanctions are removed, he has an opportunity to say, look, donald trump is a great president and it really works to our advantage. if they cannot be rolled back, then he would say, america is always on our case and we have
to stand firm and, in fact, we will retaliate in any way possible. so, i think actually diplomacy should be really called in here right now because whichever way you play, actually, putin will take it as an advantage to his cause, being a very strong president and leader of the russian people. >> nina, just a minute ago my colleague kasie hunt was talking about what's happening in congress. senators graham and mccain, for example, calling for really tough action againstmoscow. despite vladimir putin trying to, in the eyes, trying to cozy up to donald trump, do you think you understands how much hostility republican members from congress is essentially getting aimed at him? >> absolutely, he does understand it very well. i think it's actually a problem for a lot of americans to think -- your question was, should america punish russia. there's always two players in this. when america says, we need to
punish russia, russia says, fine, pish us, we'll pish you back. or we actually go into have a free hand now in acting internationally because there is no way of talking to the americans. as for lindsey graham and john mccain, as the russians would see it, they are the known russian haters. of course, they would would be after vladimir putin. there was a conversation putin should be named personally in those sanctions. and what are you going to do if you name a president of a country of a very, very large space, almost the whole continent, the uerasian continent and you want to sanction that president? how are you going to conduct foreign policy? and putin has a lot of leverage in a lot of places around the world. >> thank you for that perspective. we're talking more about these potential russia sanctions later on in the show. in the meantime, we'll get a check of other news, including a
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with apologies to our friends in the northeast, it's 80 and sunny in west palm beach. a very different story up in has has to maine. buckling up ahead of a brutal rain and snowstorm getting ready to close out 2016. no surprise, by the way, snow blowers are a hot seller right now. whiteout conditions are expected in some areas. with more than a foot of snow forecast up to the border. >> get our groeshs and now we
can go home and wait for the storm. >> we'll get over to the weather channel's meteorologist chris warren. yes, it's winter. yes, it's going to snow. this one is looking particularly intense for folks in new england, right? >> yeah, parts of new england, hallie, are going to be dealing with very heavy rain. at times you'll mix the wind in there and it will be dangerous to be on the roads in some cases. let's start off with a look at where the snow is versus the rain. it's not super cold so there's still am of the big cities in the rain. the snow here, especially in the higher elevations, you see some of the darker shades of blue, that's where the heaviest snow is coming down. this is the future radar. so, where you can expect to see snow. notice, there's a bit of a line between rain and snow. every once in a while, when that cold air wraps around, you could end up with a quick shot of snow. this is a quick-moving storm. by tomorrow morning this storm is going to be out of here. however, we're looking at the winds to continue. when it's all said and done, some areas getting absolutely
clobbered by snow. hallie, some sports, especially higher elevations, a foot and a half to 2 feet. the big question is some areas not expecting to see accumulations could have a little surprise snow when it's all said and done. just depends on the timing and when see some cold air sneaking in. some areas will get cloeshed. >> thank you for that. standing in one of the purples spots is morgan radford, concord, new hampshire. what's going on? >> reporter: it's a heavy snow. we're expected to see up to a foot of snow in places you just heard, in parts of new england like new hampshire and vermont. we're with the people on the front lines. these are the types of trucks. they've already been deployed throughout the city of concord and all throughout new england. we're going to go for a ride-along in a little bit. to give you a sense of scale, last year this time there was only 4 inches of snow. that snow didn't even begin until december. this time around, we're seeing
up to 15 inches of snow. that's just in the last two months alone. now we're expected to see another foot just overnight. hallie? >> morgan radford, holding it down for us in snowy new england. we want to get a check of our microsoft pulse question. the obama administration plans to punish russia over suspected election meddling. donald trump says, we ought to get on with our lives. what do you think, should we or should russia get punished? 88% of you do believe that moscow should get hit with sanctions. 12% of you do not. still time to weigh in. head over to pulse.msnbc.com. in the meantime, fans today are swarming to hollywood's walk of fame to honor debbie reynolds, who died last night one day after her daughter, carrie fisher. up next, we're going to take a live look at how folks are remember, the life and career of the woman once known as america's sweetheart.
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quick check now, the top stories we're following this hour. a new syrian cease-fire set to start a few hours from now. vladimir putin says that could pave the way for peace talks after syria's military agreed to the troops. russia and turkey will monitor compliance. both back opposite sides in this six-year-long civil war.
if, and it's still an if, but if this cease-fire holds, it will be followed by peace talks in kazakhstan. investigators are combing part of the galveston bay in texas for clues to what happened after two soldiers were killed when their apache helicopter crashed yesterday. they were on a routine training flight. their names not yet released but army officials say both men were highly trained. it's still not clear why they crashed but witnesses on the ground report hearing a loud pop and seeing smoke before it happened. in new york, the country's first intersex birth certificate has been issued to sara kelly keegan, who was born with male and female organs. she made headlines when a judge let her be the first california resident to change her birth certificate to nonbinary. now she's making history for having the first birth
certificate reading intersex. heartbreaking news, striking twice in the same famous family, one day after news of carrie fisher's death, her mother, debbie reynolds also passing away. remdz started her career with gene kelly, appearing on stage and on screen for decades. she also had roles in some of tv's biggest sit comes like "will & grace." ♪ gloria gloria think i got your number ♪ ♪ i think i got your alias that you've been living under ♪ >> she really was an icon. gadi schwartz is in hollywood at the walk of fame with details. this is interesting. carrie fisher didn't have a star on the walk of fame. people were coming and paying tribute to her there. 24 hours later, her mother died, and now debbie reynolds, her star is sort of just packed, right? talk us through this.
>> reporter: yeah. another thing that's fascinating, hallie, is she doesn't have one star, she has two stars. debbie reynolds honored on the walk of fame. a lot of people grieving here. i want to show you some tributes people left behind. they were just talking about "singing in the rain," someone left an umbrella there, a tribute to that breakout role, a performance that still brings a smile to people's faces all these years later. debbie reynolds died at 84 years old. a lot of things we've heard out here, people's belief she may have died of a broken heart. at this point, we don't know exactly how she died, but we do know that yesterday she was with family, she was at her son's home. the family had been planning the funeral for carrie fisher and then she started to suffer from shortness of breath. she was taken by ambulance to the hospital, possibly for a stroke. she later passed away. again, she was 884 years old. she was known as one of the icons of the silver screen in
the heyday, golden years of hollywood. she married a heartthrob at the time, eddie fisher but that came with the trials and tribulations you sometimes see in hollywood. her husband left her for elizabeth taylor. another husband left her millions of dollars in debt. she worked to pay off all that debt, millions of dollars of her husband's debt late into her life, working until she was 80, 84 years old. in fact, just recently, her and her daughter, carrie fisher, appeared in an hbo documentary. we have a little clip of that, showing this remarkable mother and daughter and a day in their life. take a listen. >> i usually come to her. i always come to her. mommy, mommy, i'm home. >> hello. >> look. you cannot keep that phone. it's ridiculous. that's from the early '90s.
>> reporter: and carrie fisher's brother saying that carrie fisher's mother, debbie reynolds, missed her daughter extremely -- extremely in the last few days. she just wanted to be with her daughter. and that's what he says happened. back to you, hallie. >> nbc's gadi schwartz in the heart of hollywood. thank you very much. up next, before he even takesffice, is donald trump threatening democrats' chances of holding onto their congressional seats? a new report says democrats are worried and they're already stepping up their ground game for 2017. we have more in the world of politics next. hey, searching fod car? i don't want one that's had a big wreck just say, show me cars with no accidents reported find the cars you want, avoid the ones you don't plus you get a free carfax® report with every listing i like it start your used car search at carfax.com and i thought, well, you need to go to the doctor. i was told that is was cancer,
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with president obama getting ready for his final couple of weeks in office, the two-term president leaves hyped a legacy partly of big state and municipal electoral losses over the last eight years. president obama now quietly supporting a democratic redistricting project led by former attorney general eric holder. and new data from this most recent election shows democrats will have to put up a fight if they want to win back seats in 2018. breaking it down, dave weigel from "the washington post." look what's happened under president obama. you know this data. since 2008 democrats have lost 900-plus state legislative seats, 27 chambers, 12
governorships, 62 house seats. paint a picture of this bleak picture for democrats. >> there are 15 states -- i'm sorry, 15 districts we know of already, not counting texas and a couple other states where we're still crunching numbers on. 15 districts that voted for barack obama twice, john kerry, and voted for trump and sometimes by big numbers. they were in rural areas. trump supporters showed this giant map of how many counties he won. if does matter when it comes to how the house is drawn because in, say, in states republicans won 2010 they drew maps that were slanted towards rural districts. in states like minnesota and iowa, rural voters basic canically control who goes to congress. democrats got wiped out there. they gained ground in california and arizona, probably in texas and florida. but they had a clear path to just winning the seats where barack obama won. in 2012. that would have gotten them a house majority. that's no longer the case.
>> so did that speak to you, to more of a philosophical issue, the fact that donald trump was able to come in and pick up these areas that barack obama had previously won? >> well, that's interesting thing about the democrats' debate right now because there is no debate about how the party has changed idealogically. no one is criticizing any part of the platform the party passed in 2016. it's more about whether they're talking to voters who donald trump won. there's a belief, based on exit polling that's pretty strong, that voters who basically agreed with democrats on economics feel disconnected from the clinton liberal version of that party and didn't vote for them this time, stayed at home or voted for donald trump. there's a sense a majority in the country -- there was a majority for hillary clinton. there should be a majority in some rural places they lost that can come back in 2018. but they need to build through grassroots work. you started the segment by talking about president obama and eric holder. one thing ip find with a lot of grassroots democrats, they point
out barack obama not just provided over losses but didn't seem to care about the lack of work the dnc was doing for the last two years. five years of turmoil under debbie wasserman schultz. the president didn't seem to mind, the rise of ofa competing with dnc. it's not clear barack obama, who was a community organizer, knew how to organize at this level. other democrats are taking the reins there. >> so flash forward a couple years, 2018. democrats will have to defend ten seats in states donald trump won. when it comes to these big votes we expect to see coming up, for example, repeal of the affordable care act, et cetera. what is the calculus going to be for lawmakers in these places? >> well, there are different kinds of trump states. there are states like west virginia, north dakota and montana, where democrats are up on the ballot and donald trump won very strongly.